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Poster: bluedevil Date: Oct 5, 2009 8:44am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Back to the Ivory Tower - Dead related

http://www.jambands.com/news/2009/10/03/the-grateful-dead-now-playing-at-the-new-york-historical-society/

In the spring of 2010, the New-York Historical Society will launch a new exhibition that focuses on the musical legacy of the Grateful Dead. Currently slated to open on March 5 and extend through July 4, The Grateful Dead: Now Playing at the New-York Historical Society “will chronicle the history of the Grateful Dead, its music, and phenomenal longevity through an array of original art and documents related to the band, its members, performances, and productions. Exhibition highlights from the archive will include concert and recording posters, album art, large-scale marionettes and other stage props, banners, and vast stores of decorated fan mail.” Some of the items will be on display on October 21 when the Historical Society hosts a benefit in support of the Exhibition. Tickets are now on sale for $300 at the organization’s website for the event in which Phil Lesh and Bob Weir reportedly will attend.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Oct 5, 2009 9:01am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Back to the Ivory Tower - Dead related

does Rhino get a cut??

(j/k)

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Poster: barongsong Date: Oct 5, 2009 11:15am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Back to the Ivory Tower - Dead related

reason # 63 methinks

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Poster: B.C. Cox Date: Oct 5, 2009 2:42pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Back to the Ivory Tower - Dead related

Not to worry Cox is working on it already.

http://www.archive.org/details/uspipe2006-12-31.flac16

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Oct 6, 2009 7:10am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Back to the Ivory Tower - Dead related

Balls Johnson Dance Machine?

Props for the name alone.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Oct 6, 2009 8:20am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Back to the Ivory Tower - Dead related

And recommended by Cox too...

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Oct 6, 2009 11:38am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Back to the Ivory Tower - Dead related

Hmmmm, why is it that a thinly veiled sexual reference almost always gets you to pop in? Things getting chilly over there?

This post was modified by SomeDarkHollow on 2009-10-06 18:38:56

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Poster: William Tell Date: Oct 6, 2009 10:24am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Back to the Ivory Tower - Dead related

There!? THERE? Cush and I have put in an order for unclean burning coal...wanna go in on a ton? Or, are you sticking to your graphite rods & uranium core generator approach? Newkler is a good alternative, but yours doesn't contribute enough particulates to gives us even more beautiful sunsets; we like to think we're doing our bit for helping out with tourism...had to get out the down parka.

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Oct 6, 2009 11:21am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Back to the Ivory Tower - Dead related

No thanks, I'm doing quite well burning used plastic supermarket bags. Certainly cleared out the pigeon problem around the house.

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Poster: clashcity Date: Oct 6, 2009 7:07am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Back to the Ivory Tower - Dead related

BEGIN RANT

Its difficult to not have this sound the wrong way, but what is the deal with this "methinks" phrase that I see being used constantly around here.

It comes off so pseudo-intellectual, and possibly at any time you might burst into verses of Shakespeare.

This isn't a Ren Fair and you are not the fifth duke of Wilkenshire for crying out loud.

END RANT

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Oct 6, 2009 8:40am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Back to the Ivory Tower - Dead related

Methinks you might have more worthwhile things to comment on than how other people choose to word their contributions.

Methinks as you already consider me to be a pompous (or was it pretentious?) prick I might as well continue to say whatever I want to say, however I want to say it, to whomsoever I want to say it to.

Methinks the use of the word 'methinks' is more indicative of someone having fun with words rather than being pretentious and if you weren't so uptight and had a little more fun you'd be a nicer person.

Methinks you're still an arsehole.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Oct 6, 2009 10:41am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Back to the Ivory Tower - Dead related

Whoops--missed your comment! I tend to agree...

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Poster: clashcity Date: Oct 6, 2009 11:47am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Back to the Ivory Tower - Dead related

You're quite the diplomat there.

"you tend to agree" - with which comment.

A few posts above you wished not to offend.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Oct 6, 2009 12:07pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Back to the Ivory Tower - Dead related

Exactly...so what's it gonna be--is that annoying too? It means exactly what it implies--vagueness. I don't agree with it all, but only with some. The original phrase was shorter though, right?

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Poster: ArchivesEverywhere Date: Apr 23, 2010 12:27am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Back to the Ivory Tower - Dead related

To me it seems a bit odd to discuss the use of a word like methinks. On the one hand it is oldfashioned. The ones who like to use it anyway shall do so if they please. I wouldn't because it sounds pseudo-intellectual to me and has little to do with having a large vocabulary. It is more of making up appearances. Anyway. Use it as often as you can if you feel like doing so.

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Poster: clashcity Date: Oct 6, 2009 9:28am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Back to the Ivory Tower - Dead related

Pompous. Pretentious. Prick. They all apply.

I'd think of it's use as "having fun with words" if it wasn't so overly used, and primarily in this forum.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Oct 6, 2009 10:41am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Back to the Ivory Tower - Dead related

Hey CC--sorry if my replies sounded harsh above, but as you note, it's hard to talk about this without that implication...?

I had to take some offense, of course, since I must be guilty of it moreso (there's another GREAT word) than anyone, but I was shocked to see your analysis shows that for "methinks" EVERYONE here does it. Even Dr Flashback.

Either WE ARE ALL PP's (prent pricks, coined this one a while back with Rob), or it really indicates that most folks writing here regularly have a reasonable command of the English language.

I argue for the latter--it'd surprise you to know how many folks hereabouts have PHDs, and a few in literature...

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Poster: clashcity Date: Oct 6, 2009 11:38am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Back to the Ivory Tower - Dead related

So now it's only smart people with "command of the English language"... Give me a break.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Oct 6, 2009 11:48am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Back to the Ivory Tower - Dead related

No, I didn't say that at all...if you read my replies above there are potentially two classes: those that don't have a command and use the word as you imply, and those that do, and use the word innocently. I agreed with you about the possibilities if it looked awkward, out of place, etc., then the person MIGHT be guilty of what you charge. If, however, it fits with their writing, it would NOT be an example of your case.

If you are maintining that the word in and of itself is "bad" and by defn this means the person using it is a "PP", then all those that have used it fit your hypothesis. I think this can't be true.

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Poster: clashcity Date: Oct 6, 2009 11:59am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Back to the Ivory Tower - Dead related

My assertion is that the use of the word implies at least a minimal level, but typically a high level, of pretension regardless of "command of the English language" or credentials.

The use of the word is certainly common here. I don't believe that is so much a byproduct of having a gathering of "smart" people here in this small place. There a more smart people out in the world than there are gathered here and when compared to here the word is rarely used.

So where does that leave it? Has to be some sort of generational thing, or societal possibly. No matter what, outside of this online forum, people don't just go typing "methinks" with such reckless abandon. I exaggerate but you get my point.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Oct 6, 2009 1:25pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Back to the Ivory Tower - Dead related

Thanks for tolerating my initial defensive posturing (attacks?), as explained above. And yes, I do get your point. I just happened to have gone thru this before with NC (his critique of my writing), and at the time, while getting to know a handful of folks "off site", came to find out that there were multiple PHDs here, and more than two in some area of literature...now, it may be I happen to only interact with the PPs with phuds, but that was my (biased?) sample.

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Poster: barongsong Date: Oct 6, 2009 8:25pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Back to the Ivory Tower - Dead related

Thanks for the defense WT and other methinkers. On the other side of the planet here I'm often late or early for these exchanges. As for my use of the word methinks I actually do use it on occasion verbally in an inquisitive way such as; "methinks thou art hiding something". As for forum use, I seem to like it better than IMHO visually but I think it really depends on my frame of mind, or how I wanted the sentence to look. For instance, in the statement "reason #63 methinks" it's use was meant to have a more softer fun feel than IMHO which, to me, seems to convey a more polite and defined mood.
Anyway sorry for the long answer to the question of my use of the word methinks, but from the length of the debate about it methinks twas needed.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Oct 6, 2009 10:53am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Back to the Ivory Tower - Dead related

pompitous of love, anyone?



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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Oct 6, 2009 7:29am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Back to the Ivory Tower - Dead related

"methinks" is not a phrase, it is a word

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Poster: clashcity Date: Oct 6, 2009 7:30am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Back to the Ivory Tower - Dead related

That's what you choose to comment about? Good grief.

My apologies. The word methinks.

Either way its quite annoying.

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Poster: deadpolitics Date: Oct 6, 2009 10:35am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Back to the Ivory Tower - Dead related

wow, man, somebody used an unusual word!

it's just a word... there's no need to get annoyed or get on someones case for using old English or to be a word Nazi.

thou art a goose, my friend, a silly goose.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Oct 6, 2009 7:33am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Back to the Ivory Tower - Dead related

there wasnt much else to comment about at the moment. methinks i need more coffee - still waking up

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Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: Oct 6, 2009 7:35am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Back to the Ivory Tower - Dead related

me·thinks (m-thngks)
intr.v. Past tense me·thought (-thôt) Archaic
It seems to me.
[Middle English me thinkes, from Old English m thyncth : m, to me; see me + thyncth, it seems; see tong- in Indo-European roots.]


It is the short version of "It seems to me" - saves keystrokes. If my memory serves isn't barongsong living in an Indo-European part of the world? Or had lived there? Methought so.

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Poster: clashcity Date: Oct 6, 2009 7:42am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Back to the Ivory Tower - Dead related

I'm certain its use has to do with more than keystrokes.

Especially with the verbosity of some posters around here.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Oct 6, 2009 12:15pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Rant related...

Well, I have to be at the top of the list...

But, don't you think it's a little harsh? NC really raked me over the coals for appearing pretentious (his "smoking jacket" comment), but if one has a large vocabulary, it is a bit small to critique it, don't ya think?

I understand your point about someone purposefully going out of their way to insert complex words, etc., etc., but if it just comes up as part of how they write, I really think it's more of a comment on the person with the issue as they have to know the motivation of the original writer to make the assessment. On that front, BS is defn not, IMHO, one who does that...Methinks (jeezzz, I've used that one many times here...I mean, "hereabouts").

Does my "hereabouts" piss you off even more?

Last, ironic this came up in the "Ivory Tower" thread, eh?

No offense, my good man!

EDIT: see? I am so pretentious I edit for spelling errors! What a jerk...



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Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: Oct 6, 2009 7:46am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Back to the Ivory Tower - Dead related

Indubitably

;-)

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Oct 6, 2009 7:47am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Back to the Ivory Tower - Dead related

show-off

;)

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Poster: skies Date: Oct 7, 2009 4:00am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Back to the Ivory Tower - Dead related

Methink Direwolve could be a real winner simply by refusing to stoop as low as these overly satisfied annal talkers who still thing having an english degree entitles them to be vulgar with anyone when it suits them !

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Oct 7, 2009 5:29am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Back to the Ivory Tower - Dead related

Methinks the lady doth protest too much!

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Poster: skies Date: Oct 7, 2009 6:57am
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Methink you said not long ago ,,scotty "I'll say what i want ,to who i want whenever i want " Methink i agrree ,and can do likewise ,meself !

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Poster: skies Date: Oct 7, 2009 5:52am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Back to the Ivory Tower - Dead related

Methink in England i had friendly pals who used to like me ! Are they still alive ,that is the question !

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Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: Oct 6, 2009 7:39am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: I'm with ya on the Coffee!!

Coffee Time

100% Colombian

Chock Full 'O Nuts

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Oct 6, 2009 7:48am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I'm with ya on the Coffee!!

at the moment i'm stuck with Folger's instant. Gonna be brewin some real stuff as soon as that kicks in.


(you will notice how I refrained from any commentary regarding "Chock Full O Nuts" - too many possibilities)

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Oct 6, 2009 12:12pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I'm with ya on the Coffee!!

Off subject (if that is even relevant anymore) dire, I'm heading up to Denver to see the Pats game this weekend. I was really excited until I checked the weather report: 38 degrees with rain/snow mix. Outstanding. Especially given that it's 89 degrees here today.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Oct 6, 2009 12:41pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I'm with ya on the Coffee!!

other than the very iffy sounding weather - it should be a GREAT game to attend!! lots of mutual respect between Coach B and McDaniels, so it wont be a hate-fest like the Mangina contests.

Enjoy it my friend, go Pats!!, and be safe (dont eat too many rocky mountain oysters)

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Poster: clashcity Date: Oct 6, 2009 7:36am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Back to the Ivory Tower - Dead related

It seems that this so-called word is also primarily used in GD forum. At least within the archive.org section of the internet.

http://www.archive.org/search.php?query=forumPost%3A1%20AND%20methinks

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Oct 6, 2009 11:57am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Back to the Ivory Tower - Dead related

God damn it! I had thought that I was not one of the great unwashed that had overly utilzed that word/phrase/verbal smegma, but upon skimming your search results, it appears I have been guitly on more than one occasion.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Oct 6, 2009 12:13pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Back to the Ivory Tower - Dead related

It really is pretty amusing...

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Poster: clashcity Date: Oct 6, 2009 12:24pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Back to the Ivory Tower - Dead related

I'm certainly having a Larry David moment...

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Poster: William Tell Date: Oct 6, 2009 1:20pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Back to the Ivory Tower - Dead related

We should defn keep a sense of humor about it, and hope you are as well...I defn came on a bit strong since, again, I am sure I do this more than anyone (overuse my vocabulary).

Assuming you aren't NC, and may not recall his comment on my smoking jacket prose, I like to think that once he got to know me he realized it really is the way I write, and became tolerant of it, if that makes sense...that was why I reacted the way I did to your comment--we can't really know BaroSong's writing by that little snipet, and the motivation behind the word is really what bothers you...at least I assume so with the Shakesp reference and all...

That said, I do still recognize your point, as I did with NC, and there is something to be said for using simple, direct English as often as possible. But as Rob noted, fun with the English language is so much more entertaining with a large vocabulary, and if you write for a living, it just goes with the territory.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Oct 6, 2009 10:39am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dire wins "methinks" contest!

Ha! Looks like Dire wins!

Now, looking at all the good folks that have used it, how can it possibly be such a bad thing? by defn word use establishes norms of behavior, and this one just indicates everyone uses it, so it CANNOT have the status you imply (rare, awkward, idiosyncratic, etc., etc.).

Case closed?

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Oct 6, 2009 11:19am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dire wins 'methinks' contest!

well, i got to win at SOMETHING!! might as well be something absolutely trivial :)


hope this day finds you well Mr. Tell

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Poster: William Tell Date: Oct 6, 2009 1:35pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dire wins 'methinks' contest!

It certainly does! And I hope you have found much better coffee by this point as I know Folgers instant well...too well!

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Poster: clashcity Date: Oct 6, 2009 11:43am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dire wins 'methinks' contest!

I don't recall saying it was rare. Just that it for some reason irks me to no end when I see it used.

And its frequent use by a certain group certainly indicates a norm - could be some trying to be like others...

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Poster: William Tell Date: Oct 6, 2009 11:55am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dire wins 'methinks' contest!

Well, then I am not sure of why you think certain words annoy if it isn't that the person using them is pretentious, etc. By defn, rare words are those sorts--if they are common, then why are we having this discussion? You said they are trying to appear intellectual, etc., so obviously you wouldn't say that because they use common words, right?

And, whether by copying or not, once words in the English language are used with high enough frequency, they are established. So, "comprise" now means "compose" because too many twits used it that way...

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Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: Oct 6, 2009 12:01pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dire wins 'methinks' contest!

Just like isthmus

Use isthmus in a sentence

Isthmus be my lucky day!

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Poster: RBNW....new and improved! Date: Oct 5, 2009 6:16pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Back to the Ivory Tower - Dead related

ya....but who's counting!!!

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Poster: Finster Baby Date: Oct 5, 2009 10:39am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Back to the Ivory Tower - Dead related

large-scale marionettes and other stage props


The skeletons from the TOG video maybe???